Updated 01/09/16: The PUC gave Larry until January 2, 2016 to fully comply with their order. LOR has filed their accounting of refunds, with absolutely no substantiation provided. While the PUC has blindly accepted the LOR version at face value, we do not. We have researched the payments. What we can tell you is that LOR's numbers are NOT correct.
Most lot holders consider LOR to be a recreational, and thus discretionary, expense. For many, the value to cost ratio has gone upside down due to factors over which they have no control, and they no longer find their investment worthwhile. While some lot holders say that they liked LOR, many are saying they don't like management's policies and arrogance.
Updated 09/16/15: A number of TCEQ water deadlines have passed. The deadline was many months ago for LOR to have installed above ground storage tanks and emergency water pumps. Perhaps the changes were invisible.....? Nope, the TCEQ couldn't find them either. Now, many, many months past the date he agreed to when he signed the order, Larry has had an epiphany and has become 'motivated'. The motivation has everything to do with what the TCEQ inspectors told Larry was going to happen during their most recent exit interview. Right Larry? You're an incredibly slow learner, by any standard, but do you understand that LoLOG is not going away yet?
The LONG awaited TCEQ action on sewage violations by Live Oak Resort has been filed. The TCEQ issued a fine of $63,000.00 for just the two counts of documented unlawful discharge of raw sewage. Additional actions and fines are forthcoming. The TCEQ has mandated significant changes/improvements in the sewage facilities at LOR. You can read the filing by clicking on the link below.
Now that the TCEQ has filed penalty recommendations for the water system violations and two counts of discharge of raw sewage, it needs to be pointed out that this is NOT all there is. The TCEQ still has a number of other violations against LOR that are winding their way through the process. The remainder of the violations documented by TCEQ inspectors will result in further actions against LOR.
Updated 12/08/15: The TCEQ inspectors were at LOR on July 8, 2014, and again on January 15, 2015. They revisited LOR on August 3, 2015 and August 31, 2015. It's more and more bad news for LOR. Additional sources of raw sewage discharge were documented.
Updated 08/20/15: After gaming the SOAH process until the last minute, Larry signed an agreed order on the sewer system violations. He agreed to pay $45,000 in fines and to cease ALL sewage discharge before the order was finalized by the Commission. It was finalized, officially, on June 3, 2015. Failure to comply with the requirements of the TCEQ Agreed Order means that this could, and most likely will, be referred to the Texas Attorney General. We're betting on the Attorney General, and unless Larry had some magic trick to stop sewage discharges without doing anything, we have a winner. For the record, Larry had no such MAGIC. The agreed order notice has now been posted on the Texas Register. You can read the TCEQ order HERE.Updated 10/11/16: OPINION: The following is personal opinion.
The search for someone else to blame is always successful. Larry is a master at blaming everyone but himself, when the reality is that his 'Five Year Plan to Ruin' is absolutely going to succeed.
Blaming ANYONE but Larry also fails to acknowledge that LOR was illegally charging electrical fees, and refused to admit that they knew it was illegal to do so. It overlooks the fact that the LOR water was so bad that most people found it unsafe to drink, and often too dirty to even bathe in. It completely ignores the fact that sewage was being discharged, knowingly, into the creeks and on the grounds, and that the stench is often overwhelming. Both are serious health issues. It also completely ignores the fact that maintenance at LOR all but ceased in the past few years and that countless promises of improvements were made, then went unkept..
The question is no longer whether LOR will find itself in financial troubles because of regulatory actions or tax investigations. Given the sheer stupidity of the rate increases, the real question is whether Larry will destroy LOR first. We're betting on Larry to win this race.
Does ANYONE ask exactly what all the huge increases will bring to members? Not the smoke and mirror BS LOR is known for spreading; that dog just doesn't hunt after all these years. A sewage treatment system? (That would be the one that should have already been in place years ago.) Water system improvements? (Again, promised regulators in agreed orders but never delivered.) Paved roads? (More LOR Kool-Aid.) How about a social hall? (Yes, the same social hall that's has been promised for eight years and running, and STILL is not finished.)
Remember new math, ebonics, and other incredibly stupid ideas that some people seem to want to cling to like a worn out sweater. Here's a Larryism that fits right into the category.
With the new rates, if 50% of the lot holders leave, and day attendance drops by 50%, LOR's income will remain stable. Wash, rinse, repeat for the next five years. "It won't hurt me if half of you leave", according to management.
It's an optimistic plan, but is seriously flawed. It's an established fact that the owner can and will spend every penny that comes in on whatever his latest whim or fantasy is, with little or nothing to show for it afterwards. It's certainly not spent on maintenance or improvements at LOR.
Larry Math failed to factor in the expense of the infrastructure improvements that have been mandated by the State, as well as fines and other related expenses. These are no small matter, so where will the funds come from? Furthermore, Larry failed to factor in 20 vacant lots, producing zero income. All in all, it's a bleak picture.
Updated 10/11/16: Broken gates.... broken hot tub.... broken promises.... and just broke.
And now, it appears that even Larry has finally realized that he's in serious trouble. Typically, his response is absolutely ass-backwards. According to the latest memo at the office. Larry has announced that he is freezing rates, effective January 1, 2017, for one year.
Seriously, Larry? That's just STUNNINGLY STUPID, at very best. You've completely wrecked Live Oak Resort, and now you believe that telling the few remaining customers that you won't screw them out of even more money in 2017 is going to help?
A university could teach a entire course on bad business based solely on Live Oak Resort.
In your twisted reality, do you fantasize that this will somehow bring people back to LOR? Here's a newsflash, NUMBNUTS.... It won't. Your only chance of surviving your 'Five Year Plan' debacle would be to publicly apologize for your unmitigated greed, and roll back prices. Try 50%. We all know you can't (financially) and won't (megalomania) do either, Larry, so you're well and truly screwed. You did it to yourself, so enjoy the final throes of what has proven to be the most assinine business plan ever concocted.
Updated 03/14/17: LoLog continues to hear from LOR members and lot holders, past and present. They offer some interesting observations and comments. Here are a few of the recent comments:
Three years ago, a group of Live Oak Resort lot holders decided that something had to be done about policies and conditions at the facility.
We spoke to the owner in late 2012, and were told that he would do nothing at all to address ANY of the issues. His exact words were that he "didn't give a damn about lot holders" and that he "would never spend that much money on the sewer system". We filed complaints with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality and the Texas Public Utilities Commission in January of 2013.
The TCEQ complaints were about water quality concerns and known raw sewage discharges at LOR. The PUC complaint was about an illegal 'meter surcharge' that was imposed by LOR, as well as possible rate overcharges.
To say that regulatory agencies in Texas move slowly would be a gross understatement. The TCEQ found our sewage claims to be justified and founded on fact in February of 2013. The water system claims were found to be justified and factual in 2014.
The PUC forced us to take the electrical claims to the State Office of Administrative Hearings in Austin, at our expense. We did so, and prevailed against Live Oak Resort in the Fall of 2014. LOR was found to have been charging an illegal surcharge, as well as overcharging for electricity.
Live Oak Resort signed an Agreed Order with the TCEQ Water Division in Late 2014, in which LOR explicitly agreed to make repairs and upgrades to the water systems by Spring 2015. To date, this has not happened.
Live Oak Resort signed an Agreed Order with the TCEQ Wastewater Division in Early 2015, in which LOR explicitly agreed to make repairs and upgrades to the On Site Sewer System by Spring 2015. To date, this has not happened.
The TCEQ has returned to Live Oak Resort repeatedly, and each inspection has found continued raw sewage discharges and a water system that does not meet minimum State requirements. Fines have been levied against LOR, but the system deficiencies responsible for the sewage discharges have gone unrepaired.
In November 2014, the PUC ordered Live Oak Resort to make restitution to ALL lot holders by February 23, 2015. After many dances, the PUC gave LOR until January 2, 2016 to make refunds and file accounting. According to the accounting filed by LOR, they have done so. But we believe otherwise, and our review of the LOR records appears to support that. Larry cheated lot holders, according to the SOAH judge, and he just continues to do so now.
Updated 12/22/16: As 2016 comes to a close, it's interesting to reflect on all that's taken place in the four years since LoLOG began.
Just about everyone we knew is no longer at Live Oak Resort. Many of those who remain wish they could get out. The sewer system is still woefully inadequate, in complete disregard of the agreed order signed with the TCEQ. The same can be said for the LOR water system. There are more vacant lots at LOR than there have been at any time in the past 15 years. Morale is at an all time low, and attendance is even lower. Larry is still trying to smear lipstick on the pig to convince everyone that things are all good. The new gates were promised to have been installed more than two years ago, but now that they have been, they're apparently intended to somehow appease those who feel that the resort is in terrible trouble. Such is Larrydom.
LoLOG has had more 34,000 visits since it began. That far exceeds the Live Oak Resort website's traffic. This would indicate that there are people who are interested in hearing what LOR has tried to hide from them.
The former LOR residents who have left seem to be doing just fine without LOR, having bought or built houses and other accomodations. Meanwhile, Larry just keeps playing the same old tune, tired as it is, to a steadily diminishing audience. Eventually, he'll be playing it only to himself, Jennifer and Tiffany, and a few minions. That's actually rather pathetic.
We find it revealing that NOTHING seems to sell at LOR, yet as soon as a nice lot is abandoned, someone moves right in. Someone with a suspicious mind might think that perhaps this is completely by design. Why would anyone buy a lot from the owner when they are told that they can just wait and get it for free. Who would be telling potential buyers this? We'll leave that to you to ponder, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
The bottom line is that others are profiting from the losses of those who paid LOR for lots, then invested their money to improve them, only to be completely screwed unless they play LarryBall. It's despicable, and those who benefit from this practice are common bottom feeders. Enjoy the slimy status, and know that you'll get screwed too.
It's even worse that Larry himself is attempting to directly profit from the loss of others. His acquisition of Lot #113 is a perfect example. The owner of that property lost 75% of his initial investment, plus whatever additional improvements he made. Larry never ceases to reach even lower levels of greed.
2016 has shown that Larry is still clinging to his self-perception of omnipotence, when perhaps a more accurate moniker would be impotent. One this is for sure, he never changes and he never admits he is/was wrong. Here's hoping he gets the lump of coal he truly deserves for Christmas.Live Oak Resort promotes itself as a "Lifestyle friendly Nudist resort". In truth, Live Oak Resort is a "LIFESTYLE resort that barely tolerates nudists". There is a huge difference. Paradise Lakes and Caliente advertise that they too are "Lifestyle Friendly". Indeed, while they may be, any sexual activity in public will result in the perpetrators being removed, immediately. That's several orders of magnitude different from what takes place, routinely, at Live Oak Resort.
An unnamed state agency sent undercover investigators to LOR, and said investigators documented (in photos & video) what really goes on at LOR? Could that be bad?
Extorting contractors and suppliers (those providing services or materials to LOR lot holders) to kickback 10% of their invoices to management is further evidence of management's utter disrespect towards tenants. Contractors are told they will be barred from the property should they disclose this policy to their customers, and that they should just add the increased cost to their invoices. At a minimum, this speaks volumes of management's ethics, and should beget legal questions. Legal questions aside (for now), this extortion is beneath contempt, and imposes a 10% hidden cost upon those seeking only to improve their premises. This practice continues today.
Rumor du Jour
When you hear rumors, it's prudent to consider the source, and motive. We will try to provide facts on this site. While it's possible for facts to lose an argument, the facts will still remain unchanged. Try to remember that when you hear the latest fabrications from LOR and the faithful followers.
Updated 03/14/17: Rumor: LOR has a brand new website. FACT: A new look perhaps, but the photos are certainly dated. There are many photos that are four or more years old, including ones showing former members that have been gone for years. The site suggests "Come enjoy a day, a week, or a lifetime at LOR". It would be good to add the warning "Or until Larry decides he wants to do another of the 'purges' for which he's well known. You know, "getting rid of the riff-raff", which means anyone not currently kissing his ass. CAVEAT EMPTOR!
Updated 03/14/17: Rumor: Larry is probably telling people that LOR is just where he wants it to be. FACT: All sociopaths say things like that, in spite of the obvious reality. They simply lack the ability to admit they're wrong, no matter what they have done.
Updated 03/14/17: Rumor: The exodus continues. FACT: Another mobile home has been pulled from the hill, leaving five vacant lots in that section. The village is empty as well, with twenty one vacant lots, several more with temporary rvs in them, and at least five additional lots for sale. All told, there are twenty six vacant lots, a half-dozen or so more for sale, and more that would be for sale were there even the slightest prospect of any buyers.
Updated 03/14/17: Rumor: Live Oak Resort is like Detroit. Both are terminal. FACT: That appears to be the case. Live Oak should be renamed Dead Oak Resort, and not just because of the huge number of dead trees on the property. As one LOR member put it, "While other similar businesses in the area are thriving, LOR is dying. I say good riddance".
Updated 02/20/17: Rumor: We had someone at Volusia Spreedway in Florida in late February, looking for Larry. FACT: Unfortunately, there were large crowds and they were unable to locate him. We had hoped they would be able to deliver a personal message from us. Perhaps another time.
Updated 02/13/17: Rumor: Things are going so good at LOR that His Majesty Larry and his blushing bride took another month vacation in Florida. FACT: Yes, that was the case. Thank God they didn't stop by to visit.
Updated 02/13/17: Rumor: Sometimes, LOR truth is far stranger than fiction. FACT: From the dumb and dumber files comes a new chapter in Larry stupid. He's trying to find 'cheap' mobile homes that he can buy and move up on the hill. Why would be anyone's guess, but he's probably deluded himself into thinking that he can somehow hide the fact that the hill is looking pretty bleak these days. Prospects aren't looking any better with additional move-outs expected soon.
Updated 02/13/17: Rumor: An unnamed Facebook group wanted to organize a weekend at LOR. FACT: It didn't work out well, as almost all of the members flatly rejected the idea. There were many negative comments, including that Larry is crazy, and that LOR is dead. Insightful.
Updated 02/13/17: Rumor: The just concluded Valentine's weekend at LOR was a raging success. FACT: Such a success that there were a handful of cabins rented and five RVs present. Just simply a WOW weekend, according to the few remaining faithful.
Updated 02/13/17: Rumor: In an effort to disguise the reality, Larry is putting snowbirds into vacant lots in the village. FACT: Why would this come as a surprise? LOR has long been nothing more than fakery and charade. This is just more of the same old dog and pony show. Wash, rinse, repeat. Tons of empty lots, pitiful attendance, and another vacation in Florida. Keep up the good work Larry.
Updated 01/01/17: Rumor: 2016 was the best year yet at Live Oak Resort. FACT: Another year is in the books, and LOR is still in a downward spiral. At this point, it appears to be a death spiral. Other resorts were sold out for the New Year's celebration, while LOR was a virtual ghost town. Sending out five free one day passes with every member's monthly bill is far from a solution. Asking your members to solve your problems by promoting a dead horse is a pipe dream. In fact, it's pathetic. It's just another half-assed attempt at trying to whitewash the real problem, which is that people have had enough of you, Larry.
Recapping 2016: The second half of the year really began to show how bad things are at LOR.
Survivor Weekend sucked.
The Bike Rally was a complete flop.
The Halloween party was even worse, compared to what it used to be.
The Christmas party attendance was very low.
Finally, the New Year's Eve 2016 party was a total bust.
The New Year's Eve event certainly put an exclamation mark on a year of major decline at Live Oak Resort. The only remaining question seems to be "just how low can the numbers go"? It seems that the answer is "right to the bottom". 2017 should be interesting.
Updated 01/01/17: Rumor: Live Oak is just wonderful, according to the few remaining faithful. FACT: Not so much, based on comments that have been posted on social media. Some of the critical comments even came from LOR 'faithful', including Wesley C, and others. Here are just a few eamples:
Updated 01/01/17: Rumor: Larry is going to hire someone to advise him on rates and help with marketing. FACT: If this is true, it's proof of just how desperate things have become at LOR. It would also be a complete waste of money, because Larry doesn't listen to anyone other than the little voices in his own head. He thinks that he knows everything, and that means that everyone else is just stupid. Ask him and he'll tell you "I've been doing this for more than 25 years, and I know what I'm doing". That's putting both feet in one shoe when it comes to stupid. Here's a newsflash, you're an idiot, and you've run your ship aground. You were, and still are, dead WRONG. Grow a pair and admit that to anyone who will listen and there might still be a very slim chance that LOR could survive.
Updated 12/11/16: Rumor: There has been a sale on the 'Hill' at LOR. FACT: The Washington County tax records tell an interesting story about lot #113, and the mobile home on it, which recently changed hands. Looks like Robama's super secret buyer came out of the closet. We wonder if Larry will try to homestead the new place, like he did the Miller House? All Robama's cheer leading was for naught, it appears. Larry rewards everyone equally. Badly!
Updated 10/04/16: Rumor: The annual LOR Bike Rally wasn't exactly a raging success. FACT: The latest of Larry's bizarre economic solutions to declining LOR attendance was to announce that the admission to next years rally will be increased by $50.00. Larry logic is a strange thing, indeed. If your business is in the toilet, just raise the prices. You would think that he might one day figure out that this economic plan is doomed to failure. Then again, FAILURE is the one thing at which Larry has always been a complete success.
Updated 09/30/16: Rumor: In the latest LOR memo (available only at the office), Larry says that he is going to freeze rates at LOR, effective January 1, 2017. FACT: The truth is absolutely more strange than any fiction we could create when it comes to LOR and Larry. The only economics involved are those that show that LOR's business has completely tanked, and the sheer desperation that has finally begun to set in. Notwithstanding the fact that January 1, 2017 conveniently assures Larry that all leases will have thus incurred the 2016 increase, this will do nothing whatsoever to stem the membership and lot holder hemorages at LOR. Likewise, it will have no effect at all on the now almost totally absent casual traffic. In the end, this is just another brain fart from the same genius who hatched the 'Five Year Plan'.
Updated 07/23/16: Rumor: The latest story from the front office is that LOR is trying to run off the old people, in favor of younger ones with more disposable income. FACT: This is just another technicolor yawn (vomit) by LOR management. Were it true, it would be age discrimination. The reality is that LOR has tenants who can't afford to be there (fixed income or otherwise), but are so locked in they have no option but to stay, until the bitter end. Most tenants with plenty of disposable income left long ago.
Updated 08/16/16: Rumor: LOR sewage problems have resurfaced. FACT: Did anyone ever doubt they would? According to reports from people who were at LOR over the Memorial Day weekend and the Fourth of July weekend, there was raw sewage on the ground in the temporary RV area, and a strong 'eau de Live Oak Resort' aroma as well. It sounds like the TCEQ is aware too.
Updated 08/29/16: Rumor: Finances are hunky-dory at LOR. FACT: It's both amusing and amazing that Larry couldn't manage to pay the 2015 property taxes (more than $9000.00 remained unpaid) until mid-August 2016, after penalties, interest, and legal costs accrued, or repair the roads at LOR. Yet Larry managed to figure a way to get another brand new Cadillac SUV. His priorities appear to be very clear.
Updated 05/11/16: Rumor: LOR improvements are ongoing. FACT: Wow, there are a set of new gates. Meanwhile the infrastructure continues in disarray and steady decline. Lipstick.... Pig.
Updated 07/15/16: Rumor: The Full Moon Cafe at LOR is open again. FACT: Indeed it is. The burning question is who will frequent the facility, given the current lack of attendance at Dead Oak? We're sure Larry will tell everyone that they have tons of business, just as he did in the past. If his lips are moving........
Updated 03/05/16: Rumor: Larry missed the Daytona 500 on his trip to Florida this year. FACT: Larry apparently decided that he couldn't afford to go to the race this year, as the cost had increased by 50%. Good God, is that hypocritical or what? Larry obviously thinks it's fine for him to do that to his customers, repeatedly, but he doesn't like it when the shoe is on the other foot. 'Nuff said.
Updated 10/01/16: Rumor: Everything is fine at LOR. Larry claims that he's been responsible for at least half a dozen nudist resorts springing up over the years, but only LOR is successful. All the others are just wannabes. Just ask Larry. FACT: Another beautiful weekend (10/01/16), with the kind of weather that brings people out to enjoy the sun and to work on their tans. Once again, there was virtully no one there. Larry's efforts seem to be really paying off. Attaboy, numnuts.
Updated 01/30/16: Rumor: Larry claims that LOR is exactly where he wants it to be. FACT: If abysmal attendance, vacant and abandoned lots, declining membership, general discord, an infrastructure in collapse, and business in a death spiral were the desired goals, they have indeed been achieved. Such lofty goals are easily attained, especially by one so megalomanical as to view this as an achievement. Just like the CEO who wrecks the company and still gets his golden parachute, Larry rewarded himself with a 30 day vacation in Florida. We hope he enjoys his delusions of success and that he will be justly rewarded.
Updated 04/13/16: Rumor: Larry needs more money. FACT: Larry ALWAYS needs more money, because he always spends more than he has. His entire financial plan is based upon dreamed of future revenues, and always has been. In the words of a wonderful lady who knew him better than anyone else, "he's failed at everything he's ever done".
Attendance at Live Oak Resort is in the toilet. That translates to declining revenue, even with the huge price increases imposed by Larry. Take this to the bank; Larry is hurting for cash, and everyone knows what happens when he needs more money. He certainly can't cut back on facilities, services, or maintenance any further, so the only question is how will he try to wring more money out of the ever diminishing number of members?
Will the 'maintenance fee' suddenly appear again, in spite of promises that it was included in the exorbitant increases across the board?
Will there be some other kind of new fee, necessitated by the actions of the TCEQ? Perhaps a sewer or water fee to cover the fines, or a surcharge to pay for the repairs that still haven't been done?
Will the 'administrative overhead service fee' return, to recover the astronomical costs of preparing your monthly invoices?
Perhaps a trash or golf cart fee? We know Larry can dream up something.
Not to mention the recent change in the reservation cancellation policy, from three to seven days. There must be a huge crush of folks wanting reservations. (end sarcasm)
Maybe something even more creative from the collective management genius of LOR? Perhaps some sneaky legal tactic?
Whatever it is, something is coming to replace revenue lost due to the brilliant 'five year plan'. After all, they deserve the money, to maintain the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed. That translates to "I'm going to screw eveyone".
Updated 03/21/16: Rumor: The remaining LOR members are now being targeted by Larry. FACT: It seems so. What's Larry's is Larry's and what's yours is his too, according to Larry. Even worse, Larry seems to now have psychic powers, and will know if you have heard or even thought of the new PP Resort. His acute megalomania just continues to worsen.
Updated 01/07/16: Rumor: Reports are that the New Year's party at LOR was a complete bust. FACT: This seems to be supported by everyone we've heard from. In spite of LOR making phone calls and sending emails to just about anyone they could thing of, begging them to attend, it was a tiny crowd, by any standard. Nicely done Larry, Jennifer, and Tiffany. Keep up the good work.
Updated 12/11/15: Rumor: LoLOG is a bunch of bitter losers and LOR is now in compliance with all State regulations. FACT: Several of the silliest things we've heard in a long time have been posted on Facebook by people who seem to be completely oblivious to the facts. One person stated that LoLOG was just a bunch of bitter losers. Another claimed that Live Oak Resort was in full compliance with State regulations.
Yet another of the blind faithful posted that the 2015 LOR Christmas Party was a huge success, with a 'full house'. That individual obviously never attended a LOR Christmas Party only a few years ago, when a crowd of 55 would have been less than a third of a full house. Some people will apparently believe rabbit droppings are cavier if told they are, in spite of what they see or taste.
All of the authors certainly demonstrated that they suffer from challenged perspectives. It comes as a relief that human anatomy prevents most people from getting their heads into a position that would conceivably afford a similar view.
Rather than being sore, the reality is that we are disappointed.
Our disappointment pales, however, by the nearly incomprehensible realization that an LOR resident could be so obtuse that they would publicly proclaim their belief that Live Oak Resort is currently in compliance with State water and sewer regulations.
Rumor: LoLOG is just propaganda, not facts. FACT: Management continues to try to convince people that this is the case, but it simply is not. Opinions are expressed here, and are clearly labeled as such. The facts presented about LOR's policies of disregarding rules, regulations, and laws pertaining to the operation of such a facility are absolutely factual, and can be verified by just clicking on the various links to State of Texas websites and databases. Ignorance of the truth is curable, but stupidity is a different matter. Blindly accepting LOR management's claims that none of this is true is not simple ignorance.
Updated 12/08/15: Rumor: LOR is winning the regulatory battle. FACT: The regulatory system is absolutely amazing, to say the least. The PUC fought us at every turn, yet we prevailed. The PUC then took NO further action against LOR for failure to obey the orders of the Commission. As he always does, Larry simply ignored ALL regulatory orders, even after he signed them and explicitly agreed to comply with the requirements of the orders. That may have gone unnoticed in the past, but that was before LoLOG. As one of the cartoons posted here said, we are the boot in Larry's ass. The water and sewer problems at LOR ARE going to be resolved. We guarantee it. It's anyone's guess as to how many more fines and court actions will it take to make Larry pay attention, or if he will he just persist in being dumb until Live Oak Resort ends up insolvent.
Rumor: Management has turned over a new leaf, and is now claiming appreciation to those still patronizing LOR. FACT: (See immediately above.) In spite of the 'happy faces' charade, nothing has changed; only the acting, which is woefully bad and pathetically transparent. Management has NOT been born again, but may have finally realized that they have stepped into some deep doo, just as in 2001-2002. As was the case then, management is now going to try to glad-hand, BS, and cajole their way out of the mess they have created. It's far too little, far too late, as this time it's not just a few disgruntled members.
Rumor: Increases in prices are due to rising costs and improvements. FACT: Costs and improvements for what, the race engine shop? The only reason there were not increases in January 2014 is because of LoLOG. Every LOR infrastructure review yields the same result: "I want more of your money, because I can". No increase has EVER produced any substantive improvement at LOR, or even maintainence of the existing infrastructure. The latest increases will not either. What will lot owners get in return for the additional money? Absolutely nothing. So why should there be an increase? Because management's greed knows no bounds, and member's apathy continues to let it happen. Eight years have passed, numerous rent and fees increases were added, yet in spite of all the LOR announcements and promises the social hall was still not partially completed until mid-summer 2016. Still, management expects everyone to pay, in advance, for more fantasy improvements. Is the Kool-aid so good that people still believe the crap they're hearing?
Updated 03/15/17: Rumor: Management promised (in 2014) to spend $30,000 per year on paving roads. FACT: 2015 AND 2016 passed without any improvement of the roads at LOR and now, in late-2016, Larry still can't even manage to repair the damage to the roads from flooding. The reality is that LOR promises are cheap and frequent. The common thread is that they are NEVER kept.
Updated 01/09/16: Rumor: Larry has paid all refunds due under the PUC orders. FACT: It seems everyone BUT the PUC knows Larry is a liar. He weaseled his way into an agreement with the PUC that gave him until January 1, 2016 to complete payment of all mandated refunds. He was also required file a full accounting of the payments by that date, and has filed something, but nothing that supports the numbers claimed. We already KNOW that the refunds have not been made according to the PUC order, and that the amounts paid are incorrect in many cases. Larry simply cannot help himself, it seems, nor has the PUC opened their eyes and realized that, no matter the date, Larry will NOT comply with ANY settlement or agreed order.
The LOR village idiot commented on the PUC mandated refunds. (Please excuse the afront to intelligence of his complete lack of even the most basic grammatical skills, but we felt it would be unfair to edit his statement.)
"Oh yes i forgot to tell you you are not getting on red cent what you gonna do if The King decides he just isn't going to give you sh*t get it the best way you can hahahahaha." To paraphrase the old public service ad on television, "This is your brain on drugs". You really should try to cut back on the pot.
Updated 11/15/15: Rumor: The TCEQ water case was won; LOR has done nothing wrong. FACT: The TCEQ penalty has been confirmed at $17,630.00. For doing nothing wrong? LOR was found GUILTY of the violations alleged. Is that a win for LoLOG? It can't be viewed as anything less; the water system at LOR was terrible, and nothing was being done about it. It has slightly improved, but had to improve much more under terms of the Agreed Order. The TCEQ has confirmed that LOR has not complied with the Agreed Order. There has been some activity, even a new above ground water storage tank. A tank that is still not part of the water system. The same tank that was mandated by the TCEQ and Larry agreed to have installed more than a year ago.
Updated 01/29/16: Rumor: LOR has won the TCEQ sewer case. FACT: Um, wrong again. Larry agreed to pay $45,000 in fines and must cease all sewage discharges, along with other substantial requirements that must be met under terms of the Agreed Order. He did NOT, and the TCEQ definitely noticed. While there may not have been anyone at Live Oak Resort to notice, there have been a lot of boots on the ground lately. They are State inspectors and investigators, walking all around LOR and taking notes about the facility. Sooner or later, it's going to get nasty for LOR, and we'll help all we can.
Updated 09/30/16: Rumor: LOR is VERY secure. FACT: There have been thefts, assaults, verbal confrontations, and instances of vandalism. In the past, at least some of this activity has been the doing of LOR residents. If not actively encouraging such behavior in some cases, management has shown little inclination to do anything about it. In fact, it's so secure that LOR felt the need to install a half-dozen or more new cameras at the office and front gate. Those same front gates that have now been left standing wide open for three weeks. The claim is that a lightening strike is responsible, but it doesn't take three weeks to effect repairs. This isn't the first time the gates have open for weeks and weeks, by the way. Regardless, according to management, lot owners still do NOT have a right to try to secure what is theirs, even though management has installed ten new cameras for their own security. The next time management tells you how safe it is at LOR, realize that there is much more to the story than they're telling you.
Updated 01/29/16: Rumor: Management is claiming that the sewer problems have been resolved. FACT: Sure they have (NOT). LOR signed an argreed order with the TCEQ on the sewer violations. The deadline was when the TCEQ order was formally signed on June 3rd. Under the terms of the Agreed Order, LOR had to have ceased all sewage discharge by that time. Not one thing has been done to resolve the cause of the discharges since Larry signed the order eight months ago. After the August 3rd inspection, the TCEQ knew this to be a fact. LOR has violated the terms of the order, which clearly stated that failure to fully comply with the order could result in action by the Texas Attorney General. What inspectors found was exactly what we said they would. Not only did Live Oak Resort fail to comply with the Agreed Order Larry signed, but a new source of sewage discharge was documented. Once more, WELL DONE LARRY.
Updated 01/29/16: Rumor: All sewer repairs at LOR have been completed. FACT: Larry, just trying to hide the problems is not the same thing as installing a new sewer system. Moving rocks around, piling dirt on the leaks, and building a bulkhead does not address the problems at all. You just can't stop yourself from trying to hide the truth, or lying to State regulators about fictional 'improvements', can you Larry? You should have sent the TCEQ the proof of your claimed sewer system solutions they demanded from you. Oh, but you didn't actually 'fix' anything, did you? Just some more cheap lipstick on an increasingly ugly pig. In truth, this was just another example of "if his lips are moving, Larry is lying".
Updated 07/23/16: Rumor: Troublemakers want to 'break' LOR so they can buy it. FACT: No one needs to help break LOR: Larry is doing a magnificient job by himself. We had sincerely hoped someone would buy LOR that actually wanted to do something with it. We didn't care who. At this point, we suspect no sane person would even consider buying LOR, leaving only new scammers/crooks as potential buyers. The real question is whether the liabilities now exceed any marketable value.
Updated 10/01/16: Rumor: LOR management suggests that LoLOG's motive is to extract a 'pound of flesh'. FACT: The 'flesh' is completely rancid, so that claim is without merit. Legal costs and fines resulting from these cases could have, and should have, been better spent correcting these KNOWN problems at LOR. In addition, all the money that has been spent on trying to hide the source of the problems would have gone a long way toward actually fixing them. A megalomaniac prevented any of that from happening, so we have no sympathy whatsoever. We are going to continue doing all we can to see that the fines and penalties just keep adding up, until the problems are fixed, OR........
Updated 10/01/16: Rumor: Values at LOR have plummeted because of this group. FACT: Property values have been in decline for several years. The drastic drop in values is due to LOR policies. Recent sales show that values have indeed plummeted, as the Five Year Plan continues. How low can it go? In the past year, lots have sold for less than 10% of their 'pre-five year plan' prices. MANY have simply been abandoned. The truth is that Larry is using your losses to help him get new tenants. His ONLY concern is that someone is still paying him rent and membership fees. It certainly appears to be part of the new plan to get owners to abandon lots, because it makes new tenants think they're getting a better deal. Even by the low standards associated with Larry, that's just scummy.
Updated 08/29/16: Rumor: Most of the For Sale signs at LOR are only a protest. FACT: There are so many of them, making the selection vast. There are more empty lots every month, as more and more people just pull the plug and move out. While a few lots continue to change hands, the sale prices fall well below 'fire sale' numbers. The last time this many lots were for sale was in 2001. That did not turn out well for LOR, but Larry was never good at history lessons. More than 20 lots have been abandoned and remain vacant, and no matter what LOR claims, that number is growing, as even more rv site holders have stated their intention to abandon their lots in the future. As of this date, with huge numbers of empty lots, the five year plan just keeps reaching new lows. In fact, the Five Year Plan is a huge success..... if emptying the resort was the goal.
Updated 09/16/16: Rumor: Some lot holders have demolished their improvements, rather than allow LOR to benefit from abandonment. FACT: Demolition of improvments on several lots has taken place. The first mobile home was removed from "the Hill" at Live Oak Resort in February 2015, and another in October 2015. Yet another was removed on March 30, 2016. It will be nearly impossible for LOR to get anyone to move a mobile home into the park given the current situation. Two more mobile homes have been removed since Fall 2016.
Updated 08/29/16: Rumor: Special 'deals' are being offered by LOR to keep revenue coming in. FACT: It now appears to have come full circle, from waiting lists for lots to outright begging for tenants. In the last crash at LOR, in 2001-2002, anyone willing to move onto a lot and pay rent was welcomed with open arms, just to generate cash flow. Add to this that it sounds like Larry is cutting 'special' deals to certain long time lot holders. Even so, empty lots remain and the numbers are growing. It seems LOR history does repeat itself. Mistakes can be fixed by learning from them, but Larry doesn't seem to benefit from experience.
Updated 08/29/16: Rumor: A new clubhouse is coming. FACT: While this had been promised for eight years, the club house/social hall has finally been nearly finished. In 2013, management promised that the social hall would be completed by January 2014. In the summer of 2014, management promised that it would be done by January 2015. It appears that what "done" means is "closed in". In other words, walls and a roof. Without heating or air conditioning, it was unusably hot in the summer and colder than a well digger's butt in winter. Larry finally installed the A/C in August 2016. NICE JOB. (The new engine shop and it's equipment was completed much more quickly, however.) How many lies will people listen to before they quit believing?LOR members paid for a social hall since the former one was converted to another purpose in 2008.
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The TCEQ sewer report is here. It confirms what was already known. There are some simply amazing statements from management contained within. Read it here
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